Forum - Mall shooting in my town

Well wednesday a 19 yr old teenager walked into our mall with a ak-47 gets off the elevator and opens fire killing 8 and wounding 5. One guy was killed jumping in front of a lady and saving her. One lady age 25 was killed and her boyfriend was to give her an engagement ring on christmas. The shooter then killed himself. He stated in a letter that he was a piece of crap and wanted to go out in style and be famous.
People can not even go out any more and live their lives because of out of control kids. I couldnt imagine going thru that is was bad enough watching it on tv.

Mental illness and access to guns is a deadly combination. There is no way that a 19 year old should be able to get an AK-47.

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I agree with dominixe completely! It's also sad to hear that this kind of thing goes on so much. I do believe that we all should have the right to bare arms; but I also believe that each person that applies for a gun should also have a mental evaluation as well before even getting a gun.
Of course, the gov't could ban guns except for the military and law enforcement; but that may not work well either. The reason it may not work is because if a person has got bad intentions already;they would probably go to someone they knew or some other illegal way of getting weapons. So, this makes things a little more tricky to deal with things like this happening. The best thing that we all can do is to be alert and know what to do if ever something like this happens. Also, I believe that the ones who give or sell an out of control person a weapon; then, they also should be held accountable for distributing weapons to a person without the proper background checks.
Also, obviously this young man had some major problems going on in his life and he really needed the right support of family,friends, and counselors with whatever he was going through.
My heart goes out to those who lost their loved ones in this terrible incident. Even for the young man who took his own life as well; my heart goes out to his family and friends. I wish all of you well and I hope that you all stay safe as well!
Take Care&Hugs,
12pleaseu

I really wonder where that chap could get his gun. Do you get it: it is not a gas or traumatic pistol, not a piece or like that. F**K, this is a MACHINE GUN!!! And not even a native American one! Are these gadgets sold at markets in the US like cucumbers???...

In fact this is awful. Poor innocent people... If you want a beautiful death why to challenge other lives?
The question is still open-ended. Who is to close it!

Actually guys he stole the ak-47 out of his step fathers house while he was on vacation. He dint go out and buy this weapon. Im guessing the father didnt like to keep his weapons locked up in a gun safe which might have prevented this from happening to begin with.

Actually, there is a bill being worked on through the Congress and Senate that will allow Police Dept and Medical Depts to work toghether to Identify these types of people with these types of behaviour.
Remember: It was the UVA inability to communicate with the police dept because of rights to privacey regarding medical records that allowed that nut to get away with killing all those people.

In California, if you want to purchase a fire arms you are required to take 2 shooting safety classes and I am a certified firearms instructor. The California Dept of Fish and Game has, recently, asked me to come back to teach Hunter's Safety Courses. Of course these courses are one of the prerequisites to passing the safety test to buy a fire arm.
No Fully Automatic Weapon is legal in the United States unless, you pay a Federal Fire Arms Tax to the DTAF. Something like $500,000. a year.
There are nuts out there who can and will, illegally, convert a fire arm to full automatic but, to control a FAW it takes a lot of trainings and you don't see that on TV.

ONE OF THE THINGS you do not want to do is to Get Up and Run!!! Duck and Cover. Play dead, don't look towards the gunman or men. I don't care how many weapons are firning, all of them will go empty, at the same time, at least once. Listen for the click of the magazine release button and the magazine hitting the floor. Then, get up and run. When you heard the "slide" go back into action, Hit the Deck.

Don't yell and scream. That is the best way to give away your position.
If some one is shot place the platic from a cigarette package of gum or candy wraper over the wound then tie it with you nylons, belts, ties or shoe laces.

As opposed to TV if a person is shot in the chest lay them on that side. If yo lay them on their back they will drown in their own blood. Raise there feet. No pain meds. It will drop their blood pressure and caused them to bleed out of die in schock. Same thing for abdominal wonds.

Stop the bleeding first, clear the air way, 2nd then start CPS. And for God's sake learn how to do it the correct way. TV is a bunch of shit. When you compress someone heart you nearly need to carck their sternum. 15 pums to 5 breaths. Blood havs to get to the brain first then oxygen to the rest of the body. Go down to any Army Surpluss store and get a book on Combat Field Medical Training. It is what ever soldier is taught.

And be safe and aware of your surroundings at all times. I hate to say it but I always carry a 4 inch folding kinfe. If some SOB starts shooting at innocent people I will, if at all possible, take them out.

Remember that a semi-automatic weapon will fire as fast as you can pull the trigger. Semi Automatic firing is the preferred method of the military and the PD's it allows more control of the weapon.

People its horrible! His father seems to be as guilty as himself. Can't he be blamed for this carelesness? I would send this dickhead to jail for at least 5 years. But i agree he has already been punished.

Hi! Yes, Paul I agree fully with you and thanks for the good points as well! It sure helps to know what to do in any given situation that's for sure. Also, yes SexyTWO I agree as well. I think he's been punished enough already. He's lost a loved one and he will have to live with that the rest of his life. I hope you all have a great weekend and be careful out there as well!
Take Care,
12pleaseu

I am shocked too. But I still wonder what a dickhead was that father. If you don't want to keep your gun in a safe place why don't you at least hide the cartridges for it! Aren't you at least afraid if a thief would steal it charged and kill YOU first???
Crazy people, crazy world...

Don't blame this man = Don't make this world crazier
;-(

Actually, there are many states that have laws that will proscute parents who leave their firearms where they can be reached by a child. But, if a child breaks into the safe there is not much that can be done to the parents.
It is the law that any hand gun must be locked in a gun safe and the ammonution stored seperately.
But, really, the parents suffer as much as the parents of the victims.

Did that guy break into the safe???

You're right. This is quite difficult not to blame other people!

No he didnt break into the safe. So far they are saying the father didnt even keep the firearm locked up. He took the gun when he and his mom where over visiting the mom left for awhile and he grabbed it and hid it in his car. And had it about two weeks. The father was on vacation out of the country.

Depending on the state laws the man could be charged with negligence in this case for not keeping his gun locked up. In most states it is required to have a lock of some type on a gun that is accessable to family members. States vary by state.